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• laotzu | vor 831 Tagen, 17 Stunden, 22 Minuten

  except for gaming I can't imagine why anyone would want to go through all the hassle. especially the unbelievably awful idea of not having a proper filesystem all three operating systems can acces. fat32 might be accessible from all three read/write but it's so outdated and simply crappy - no journaling and a filesize limitation to 4gb... ugh. and then the issue of rebooting, holy shit, how much I hate rebooting. forgot to save that one file on the common fat32 partition? well, tough luck, reboot into that other OS just to move it to another partition. (though it is possible to at least get read-only access, but damn you're fucked if just one of the filesystem somehow gets corrupted/damaged for improper mounting/unmounting)

  I prefer virtualization a billion times. as long as raw (esp. graphic) performance isn't required, it's perfectly fine, all you need is a bit of RAM (2x2GB are cheap as chips nowadays and you're good to go. heck, at work I've got a 4 year old intel centrino (no dual core) with 1,5GB RAM running ubuntu and winXP in vmware server (free!). I reboot the computer about once...

  

  • laotzu | vor 831 Tagen, 17 Stunden, 21 Minuten

    ...every few weeks when a new kernel-upgrade requires it.

    oh, and no worries about windows overwriting your master boot record is a big bonus!

  • laotzu | vor 831 Tagen, 17 Stunden, 13 Minuten

    though now that I think of it, wouldn't want to run virtual machines on my atom(under-)powered netbook (which dual boots ubuntu / os x). still it is a hassle for storing data (did I leave those photos on my hfs+ partition or was it the ext3?) - not everything can be stored in the cloud.

  • setecastronomy | vor 831 Tagen, 16 Stunden, 59 Minuten

    Yep, virtualisation in all it's flavours was and is definitly a game changer and eliminates a lot of the hassles you aptly described. (for alternative OSs like ReactOs or Syllable and - to a lesser extent - Haiku-Os too good compability with a virtualisation solution like VirtualBox, QEmu etc. is arguably more impartant nowadays than broad "native" hardware support)

    As a - hopefully - less patent encumbered alternative to fat32 / vfat, I did some experiments with UFS/UFS2 earlier that year, which worked surprisingly well, but the *FFS are unfortunatley no replacement for a cross-plattform ext3, ext4 or one of those nice next-gen filesystems (ZFS, bttrfs, HAMMER) drivers.

    Well, a geek may still be allowed to dream.

  • setecastronomy | vor 831 Tagen, 16 Stunden, 54 Minuten

    #"not everything can be stored in the cloud."
    #

    If portability is not of high concern, a NAS or similar SMB/NFS server may be the path of least restiance even for single user scenarios. Which reminds me, that one day I will have to try out this crazy beagle-board-as-portable-file-server idea that I keep thinking about for nearly a year now :-)

  • daddyd | vor 830 Tagen, 20 Stunden, 20 Minuten

    I'm over doing it for the fun of it

    those days are long gone. The only reason I would do it now is because I need to be able to test some cross platform solutions, and to make suggestions and train people in on certain software.

    Software that would suffer from virtualisation.

    I'm still holding off though. I was almost ready to jump and then I had a falshback of my last backup strategy meltdown and now I'm sort of scared...

  • laotzu | vor 830 Tagen, 11 Stunden, 32 Minuten

    @daddyd would that software really suffer under virtualisation? I mean, have you tried it lately? tremendous improvements have been made in the last few years (also on the hardware side, useful instruction sets on the cpu. multi-core helps a lot!)

    some issues remain, of course:

    - 3D support is so-so at best though you're pretty good to go if you don't rely on direct X and use openGL instead.

    - there's no direct way of connecting firewire-devices. (you can share firewire-drives via your host but you can't for example connect a camera or firewire-soundcard to your VM and expect it to work)

    @setecastronomy
    yeah, NAS cures lots of the problems. I might try UFS(2) someday, thanks for the suggestion

  • laotzu | vor 830 Tagen, 10 Stunden, 46 Minuten

    but please don't get me wrong, I in no way want to imply that what you're saying is incorrect, I am 100% sure that there are lots of other cases and settings I haven't thought of where virtualization just doesn't cut it. all I'm saying is that the last, say three years, improved things by so much, it's incredible :)

  • setecastronomy | vor 829 Tagen, 19 Stunden, 38 Minuten

    @laotzu
    UDF (plain, currently

  • setecastronomy | vor 829 Tagen, 19 Stunden, 36 Minuten

    @laotzu
    crap. Obviously, the FM4 forum software is unable to deal with > and < . Weird :-), sorry for the repost.

    UDF (plain, currently <= 2.50) is probably also an intereseting alternative to fat32 as a lowest common denominator file system and/or the home/data partition of your setup, as you shouldn't need any additional tools to access the filesystem for most operating systems (It's nowadays the most common fs for optical media beyond iso9660).

• nungee | vor 831 Tagen, 18 Stunden, 4 Minuten

  don't get me wrong. i am excited by the possibilities. but from my personal experience (and really just that) 3 OSs on one machine is 3 too many.

  

  • setecastronomy | vor 831 Tagen, 17 Stunden, 29 Minuten

    From my personal experience, you need at least 5 before the real fun kicks in.

    (Just out of sheer curiousity: Besides SOCs or similar tightly integrated firmware based one-trick-ponies, what general purpose computers work without an operating system?)

  • nungee | vor 829 Tagen, 22 Stunden, 28 Minuten

    what i was trying to hint at was that I think from a user perspective the OS is getting less and less important these days. win7 for example, looks and feels interesting in certain ways but it doesn't feel 'necessary' anymore (also don't feel a great need to get the snow leopard anytime soon, no matter the low price). a stable, secure and intelligent OS obviously still _is_ necessary and important. no doubt. I am really curious about the not so distant future of OS's and how things might change.

  • setecastronomy | vor 829 Tagen, 19 Stunden, 35 Minuten

    @nungee
    Ok, that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification :-)

  • daddyd | vor 829 Tagen, 12 Stunden, 59 Minuten

    @nungee

    I would actually advise the Snow Leopard if you are running a reasonably current Macbook. It did wonders for my 13" pro. It's actually moved the system even more to the background. There are one or two things you might want to tweak, but it's improved the stability and battery life immensely.

    Of course, just shutting Flash off will do the same thing.